Masonic Forum Home Search Members Calendar Who's On Welcome Guest ( Login | Register ) Recent PostsRecent Posts Popular TopicsPopular Topics Home » General » The Appendant Degrees and Orders » Royal Ark Mariner Royal Ark Mariner Rate Topic Display Mode Topic Options Author Message TerryTerry Posted 26/11/2009 23:36 Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: 03/06/2010 08:02 Posts: 595, Visits: 756 The RAM is part of the HRA here in NSW and we are told it nearly became the 3rd degree.I now quote Rt Ex Comp AR Wall on this:"It could well have been the ritual of the 3rd degree because it, like the legend of HAB, tells of death and destruction, attempts to recover from the death and destruction and a life eternal. Complete the RAM degree and you have just revised the Maters Masons degree"."The Biblical story of Noah tells of death and destruction( caused by that great flood) of a search, almost by an aimless wondering through the flood waters, of unsuccessful attempts to overcome the destruction ( by the dispatch by Noah of the doves who returned so many times with no greenery) and finally the return to life when a dove returned with a sprig of accica and the eventual grounding of the ark on Mt Ararat.This degree goes one step further than the craft 3rd degree and illustrates everlasting life by the spreading of the children of Noah to all corners of the world". " How ever could two stories, so different on the surface, be so alike when the true story, hidden by the allegorical nature of masonic stories, is discovered, unless they set out to tell the same hidden truth".So Brethren, do you agree or not, I would like to hear your views RegardsTerryTamworth 652Australia Post #15822 lauderdalelauderdale Posted 26/11/2009 23:39 Excellent Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: 04/07/2010 12:56 Posts: 2,238, Visits: 4,269 I do believe that some of the original Masonic workings were Noachite in their legend rather than Hiramic. Thus I can see merit in your suggestion Terry. Post #15823 Russell HollandRussell Holland Posted 27/11/2009 02:33 Fellow Group: Forum Members Last Login: Today @ 11:54 Posts: 246, Visits: 1,522 I recall reading an account of raising Noah by his 3 sons. The existence of the account suggests a form of Masonry that did (does?) not use KST as an allegory. If so, this would appear to cast doubt on the convenient account of stone masons guilds giving rise to Freemasonry. One of the clues may be that when the RAM working emerged it was from a grand body and was used as the entry degree to Masonic KT (as far as I recall). This could suggest a line of descent that bypasses guilds. (There is some dispute as to whether stone masons even had guilds in England) Post #15828 justin357justin357 Posted 11/12/2009 20:54 Apprentice Group: Forum Members Last Login: 25/04/2010 09:34 Posts: 8, Visits: 27 RAM is definitely very old, and does not reference any of the other Orders in the was that Mark does. It was also definitely part of the system by the time that the Royal Order of Scotland appeared, as there are a number of references to it. I also remember someone telling me that the shape or arrangement of the RAM Lodge is further evidence of its antiquity, but can't be sure of the details. sincerely and fraternally, Justin (UGLE, Rose Croix, Red Cross of Constantine, Mark, Royal Ark Mariners and Royal Order of Scotland just in case it's of any interest!) Post #16427 Alan CampbellAlan Campbell Posted 11/12/2009 21:48 Past Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: 22/07/2010 19:44 Posts: 1,089, Visits: 1,323 It could also be the fact that there was a large naval division in the templars and this would seem more relevant to them.I have also heard that as well as freemasons there was a group of freefishermen(but i can't remember where i read that) and it couls also be more relevant to them. As for your question i hinestly don't know if it should have been the 3rd degree or not but looking back through books i have read before i know that there were lodges working degrees that were not sanctioned by the grandlodges. Post #16436 « Prev Topic | Next Topic » Reading This Topic Active Users: 0 (0 guests, 0 members, 0 anonymous members) Forum Moderators: TFM Admin, Mike Martin, Stu Thorpe, Tom Cherup Forum Jump... ---------------- Forum Home Search Members List Calendar Who's Online ---------------- Site Announcements |-- Announcements General |-- Greetings to our New Forumites |-- General Masonic Discussion |-- Masonic History (Legend -V- Fact) |-- Ritual - Esoteric & Symbols |-- Travellers' Diary & Dates |-- The Reading/Watching Room |-- The Appendant Degrees and Orders |-- Feminine & Co-Masonry |-- Knobs & Excrescences All times are GMT, Time now is 3:59pm Powered By InstantForum.NET v4.1.4 © 2010 Execution: 0.048. 8 queries. Compression Disabled.
I now quote Rt Ex Comp AR Wall on this:
"It could well have been the ritual of the 3rd degree because it, like the legend of HAB, tells of death and destruction, attempts to recover from the death and destruction and a life eternal. Complete the RAM degree and you have just revised the Maters Masons degree".
"The Biblical story of Noah tells of death and destruction( caused by that great flood) of a search, almost by an aimless wondering through the flood waters, of unsuccessful attempts to overcome the destruction ( by the dispatch by Noah of the doves who returned so many times with no greenery) and finally the return to life when a dove returned with a sprig of accica and the eventual grounding of the ark on Mt Ararat.This degree goes one step further than the craft 3rd degree and illustrates everlasting life by the spreading of the children of Noah to all corners of the world".
" How ever could two stories, so different on the surface, be so alike when the true story, hidden by the allegorical nature of masonic stories, is discovered, unless they set out to tell the same hidden truth".
So Brethren, do you agree or not, I would like to hear your views
I have also heard that as well as freemasons there was a group of freefishermen(but i can't remember where i read that) and it couls also be more relevant to them.
As for your question i hinestly don't know if it should have been the 3rd degree or not but looking back through books i have read before i know that there were lodges working degrees that were not sanctioned by the grandlodges.
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