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ChrisH1 (10/11/2011)
Most Colleges meet 3 times a year, if you are over to visit the in-laws in Bristol theses Colleges are nearest;
Caerleon (Newport) 3rd Sat in Feb, June & Sept
Chris
I know Caerleon has moved and now meets in Castleton (between Cardiff and Newport) - I believe it has also changed its meetings to weekdays (I visited one on a Tuesday evening ) but, as Castleton is in a different Carft province it's not in our Yearbook so I can't check
Wayne
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Thanks Wayne, I got the info out of this years directory! I will have to let them know it is wrong!
Chris
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Thank you for your help Brethren
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Eldmar
I am not a member of any Rosicrucian grouping. Maybe I should add, yet, as I have a constant desire to be enlightened.
However, you enquire why the Societas Rosicruciana Orders appear to cause complete incomprehension to fellow craft membership. The same perception is in play within the Grand Lodge of Ireland jurisdiction.
Contributors have correctly stated that the SRIA (in Anglia) or SRIS (in Scotland) are not Masonic and their own respective websites concur. In Ireland there is the SRIH (in Hibernia) which also concurs that it is not Masonic. Nor does it seek amity to other bodies whether Masonic or non Masonic and has not apparently sought amity to the SRIA or the SRIS. Rather it desires to be recognized as a wholly independent body. I have no issue with independent groupings that explicitly states their position.
The Grand of Ireland recently circulated that the SRIH should not be recognized and forbids craft members from joining. There was no prior discussion or reason given as to why Grand Lodge of Ireland has chosen to be hostile. This is disturbing as Freemasons should not be proscribing any body especially non Masonic bodies. As Freemasons we do not seek to be in amity with numerous bodies, such as the British Legion, The Boy Scouts etc. as they are not Masonic. Equally Freemasons should not prohibit its members to join any other grouping. We are freeborn ! Thankfully numerous Lodges have replied back to Grand Lodge of Ireland distancing them from an irregular instruction. Probably this has caused some craft mason to further enquire and thus the demand for another College created.
In Ireland some Freemasons also hold membership of another grouping called the Loyal Orange Order and/or the Imperial Grand Black Chapter. Both of these are without doubt quasi Masonic in ritual and degree work. Yet these are Orders are not proscribed and members do not seek amity. I am not a member of these either and remained concerned that the Deputy Grand Master recently refereed to these groupings as sectarian in a national newspaper. The DGM obviously has little concern to the dual membership held by some masons. As fact, in Ireland we have church Ministers openly in office as Provincial Masonic Chaplains and also openly as County Orange and Black Chaplains. In furtherance to this view is that The St. Johns ambulance service and its volunteers are not proscribed yet their establishment is of Knight Templar origins.
The first Irish College of modern times, the SRIH was consecrated on 1st August 2008. Subsequently a second was consecrated on 24 September 2011 and named as The Illuminati College. A third College, Holy Grail, is envisaged
I am of the opinion that Rosicrucia is not talked about as those in craft authority do not wish it members to have a choice. I suspect that if you were to join and become enlightened that you may perceive no need to join anything else. But all Orders have merit. All degrees or advancement have merit. Freedom of choice has merit.
Go on and continue with your openness and transparency. Be proud and remain honored to talk about what you belong. Once you start concealing your work you belittle the standing of that grouping.
I have spoken to a few good and true Masonic friends who have joined the SRIH. They abhor that they may be disciplined for joining if discovered. But their conscience dictates that Irish Masonry should not enslave them. It is commonly known that the Irish founder of SRIH had been victimized and harassed for many a year. This is despite him being having held various Grand positions in our Dublin based head office.
So lets have an open mind as well as a transparent one.
Lagavara1
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Lagavara, I agree with your sentiments but the fact is the SRIH is not recognised. I get a lot out of my masonic membership and would not risk expulsion to join the SRIH. I would very much like the situation to be different but it is not. The reason it cannot be recognized is that it requires members to be master masons which goes against a clause in the GLoI Laws. Perhaps a way around this situation would be to change membership requirements to Mark Master Masons. But I am aware Sean has now gone off and is setting up LDH and not sure if he is involved in the Orients springing up in Ireland too, I am not aware if he is still a member of GLoI so I take it that the SRIH now admits MM's from Co-Masonry rather than regular Irish Constitution Masonry. I would love to join but circumstances forbid it unfortunately.
To any other members here I was wondering do any of the SRI's have a correspondance circle?
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The SRIH is not a legitimate Masonic Rosicrucian order. It was irregularily formed by Fratres who did not have the rank or authority to form a High Council. The reason that the SRIH has not applied for recognition from the SRIA and the SRIS is that they know full well that they are an irregular body and haven't a chance in Hades of being recognised.
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Dear c82 & john1234s
Ummmm,
Foremost I was commenting on what I understand matters to be.
I acknowledge that GLoI has banned the SRIH but unaware of what actual clause in L&C is causing the ruling as Lodges have never been informed.
From their (somewhat limited information) web site www.srih.org I gleaned - The Societas Rosicruciana in Hibernia (S.R.I.H.) is the official regular Societas for the Island of Ireland, (Hibernia) and exists independently of any other organization. Membership is open to all Master Masons professing the Trinitarian Christian Faith. Does ‘Exists Independently’ mean what it says on the tin ? I think so and we are all free to start up any new grouping that does not seek recognition from anyone. ‘Open to all Master Masons…’ carries no merit other than being a prerequisite. It is evident that being a Master Mason is also a prerequisite to joining SRIA and SRIS. This prerequisite implies to me that these Rosicrucian Orders like the notion that it members should have craft knowledge. Declaration 9 from GloI which is read annually at our Installations ceremonies states - This Grand Lodge is a Sovereign and independent Body practicing Freemasonry only within the three Degrees and only with the limits defined in its Constitution as ‘pure Ancient Masonry’. It does not recognize or admit the existence of any superior Masonic authority, however styled. – Peculiar then that GLoI can be independent but bans others who claim independence. Furthermore why do we recognize RAC, Kt. Templar and Rose Croix when they are clearly beyond the limits of pure Ancient masonry and the practice of the three degrees? If we as masons want to be part of society we must accept that others do not want to be part of us. And that if others want no part of us let them get on with it. We change the brand of car we drive, we change churches, we change faiths, we change from Boys Brigade to Boy Scouts or retain membership of both etc . So if others want to change or belong to other Orders what is the issue. It is however heartening to read that if SRIH was not banned then members would not be in fear. Shame on those who make rules that permit a situation that Mason would be in fear of their membership. Lagavara1
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Hello Brother
Lagavara1 (05/12/2011)
From their (somewhat limited information) web site www.srih.org I gleaned - The Societas Rosicruciana in Hibernia (S.R.I.H.) is the official regular Societas for the Island of Ireland,and exists independently of any other organization. Most irregular bodies consider themselves to be official and independant, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, they are just that; irregular.Lagavara1 (05/12/2011)
Does ‘Exists Independently’ mean what it says on the tin ?Independant means that they approached several legitimate High Councils for recognition and were denied because of their irregularity. we are all free to start up any new grouping that does not seek recognition from anyone. Are we? What if you decided to set up your own Supreme Council of the AASR - not being a SGIG, nor having a patent from another legitimate Supreme Council, what kind of response do you think you'd get from the legitimate Masonic community? I have no specific knowlege of this, but has it occured to you that perhaps the SRIH was proscribed by the GLoI because it was irregularily formed, and is considered clandestine by the seven legitimate High Councils throughout the world?
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Dear john1234s
With respect for Eldmar we should remain on his topic. I hope my Irish perspective did that.
Maybe a new topic on ‘independent‘.
On closing. I believe we should let irregular bodies, or those whom we are not allowed to recognize get on with their lives. Those who we are told to recognize and whom we are also permitted to have amity does not excite me. Look at how many regular and legitimate bodies other masons have but are excluded in Ireland.
Lagavara1
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