Masonic Forum Home Search Members Calendar Who's On Welcome Guest ( Login | Register ) Recent PostsRecent Posts Popular TopicsPopular Topics Home » General » General Masonic Discussion » I cant help but wonder... 52 posts, Page 4 of 6«««23456»»» I cant help but wonder... Rate Topic Display Mode Topic Options Author Message eastbeasteastbeast Posted 29/06/2009 14:22 Journeyman Group: Forum Members Last Login: 10/07/2010 12:28 Posts: 110, Visits: 346 M Perrott (26/06/2009)Sparker (26/06/2009)Oi tynk ewe'll fynde iss prnu....prennuny...purry....pronow... said.. Norfuk!Tonneeeeeeee.No, sorry, can't understand that one. Only been in the county 25 years, grew up west of London (heathrow). Can you speak Middlesex? Remember, thats north of the river. Good grief! I'm originally from Kingsbury and Harrow..just a short bus ride away!When I say short bus I don't mean "short bus'..... __________________________________________U.G.L.E.Lodge of Perseverance 213 Norfolk. (An Atholl Lodge)I've seen Mike's Balls..... Post #9384 Peter LortonPeter Lorton Posted 13/07/2009 15:10 Apprentice Group: Forum Members Last Login: 03/07/2010 15:19 Posts: 27, Visits: 52 Picking up the thread of Brethren becoming disenchanted with FM and resigning, in my belief it is often because of one or two thoughtles or selfish individuals. ie - Can't get their own way in Committee, won't accept a Preceptor's correction or advice, favouritism in selecting Lodge Officers, etc. What we must accept is that we are not all perfect, and tackle the problems as soon as they come up. A bit of tact goes a long way when correcting the offenders, who can seldom see the harm they are doing.Peter Lorton PM 5600L 9169L 5056RAC 9169RAC Post #9908 Fire MistFire Mist Posted 13/07/2009 15:32 Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: 15/07/2010 14:00 Posts: 446, Visits: 599 wolfy (22/06/2009)...why people stay with Freemasonry?Simply because the majority of people here recently seem to have nothing but nitpicking problems ......... ...........can we at least try to get something positive on here for viewers to see as opposed to complaints about the Craft?I doubt I can add anything to the why part... it has already been said. But I will note that Freemasons are still humans.Humans are the hardest on the ones they love, including Freemasnry. Nitpick and apparently complain, yea, but it is because we care! If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarnatee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors --Carl SchurzDarylee, 3°; (I am a women in Ohio, USA)My posts are my personal opinions. The Opinions expressed herein don't represent the opinions of my Lodge, Grandlodge or any other Masonic jurisdiction. American Co-Masonry; The American Federation of Human Rights: http://www.co-masonry.org/ Post #9910 SparkerSparker Posted 15/07/2009 11:29 Fellow Group: Forum Members Last Login: 06/08/2010 17:57 Posts: 227, Visits: 259 Ahoy there, Shipwreck!,You know there IS a lot of moaning going on, but that's largely because the majority of folk you get in Freemasonry have high standards in whichever field you refer. When something doesn't go quite according to plan, we are rightly concerned and want to see it put right. Because the festive board is usually concerned with good will, good company etc etc, we see the other aspect of Freemasonry in our lives (ie this forum) as a bit of a vent for our feelings.I suspect I'm as much to blame as the next man (thought not as much to blame as Mark Parrot(sp?)), for casrting doom and gloom.... but come on wolfy, some of us aren't happy unless we're moaning!Tony. PM of Wilbraham Lodge No. 1713, P.PrJGD, J. W. Garston Lodge of Mark Master Masons.Member of Tranquility Lodge No. 2000 (USA) Post #9971 M PerrottM Perrott Posted 15/07/2009 12:50 Fellow Group: Forum Members Last Login: 17/08/2010 23:54 Posts: 292, Visits: 2,187 Sparker (15/07/2009)Ahoy there, Shipwreck!,You know there IS a lot of moaning going on, but that's largely because the majority of folk you get in Freemasonry have high standards in whichever field you refer. When something doesn't go quite according to plan, we are rightly concerned and want to see it put right. Because the festive board is usually concerned with good will, good company etc etc, we see the other aspect of Freemasonry in our lives (ie this forum) as a bit of a vent for our feelings.I suspect I'm as much to blame as the next man (thought not as much to blame as Mark Parrot(sp?)), for casrting doom and gloom.... but come on wolfy, some of us aren't happy unless we're moaning!Tony. Thank you for your very touching concern Tony, I am much happier now thanks. The events that have made life a little trying have ceased since my mention of them on here, and <touch wood> most here can continue to enjoy their time here without further mention of it. Post #9980 wayne cowleywayne cowley Posted 15/07/2009 13:16 Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: Yesterday @ 16:55 Posts: 571, Visits: 1,028 M Perrott (15/07/2009)The events that have made life a little trying have ceased since my mention of them on here, Glad to hear it MarkWayne PM Hamlet of Van Lodge 8334 UGLE (Caerphilly - South Wales); Scr N. Hamlet of Van Chapter 8334 JW, Caerffili MMM 1348; PCN, Caerffili RAM 1348; St Teilo Chapter A&AR 789 Brangwyn SRIA 75; Castell Caerffili OSM 466; Fforest KT 582: Merthyr Tydfil R&SM 120, Penychen - Athelstan 53, RCC 295 Post #9982 M PerrottM Perrott Posted 15/07/2009 13:22 Fellow Group: Forum Members Last Login: 17/08/2010 23:54 Posts: 292, Visits: 2,187 So am I Wayne. And thanks to you and other Masonic friends and your continued patience it has not ground me down. I am humbled by your care and attention. Post #9983 wayne cowleywayne cowley Posted 15/07/2009 19:37 Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: Yesterday @ 16:55 Posts: 571, Visits: 1,028 M Perrott (15/07/2009) I am humbled by your care and attention. All I can claim credit for is a couple of e-mails Wayne PM Hamlet of Van Lodge 8334 UGLE (Caerphilly - South Wales); Scr N. Hamlet of Van Chapter 8334 JW, Caerffili MMM 1348; PCN, Caerffili RAM 1348; St Teilo Chapter A&AR 789 Brangwyn SRIA 75; Castell Caerffili OSM 466; Fforest KT 582: Merthyr Tydfil R&SM 120, Penychen - Athelstan 53, RCC 295 Post #9993 M PerrottM Perrott Posted 16/07/2009 03:59 Fellow Group: Forum Members Last Login: 17/08/2010 23:54 Posts: 292, Visits: 2,187 Well I spoke too soon. Between 0215 hours and 0230 hours this morning, I received no less than 4 anonymous calls to my home number. Talk about tempting fate !! But it raises a question about the "tolerance" within Freemasonry and Masonic forums in particular.A pattern of behaviour seems to prevail. When the clique elite decide someone should leave, the individual gets followed around, their every post counter -posted with ridicule or strongly worded rhetoric.Take for example Peter Clatworthy. His strong views are not my cup of tea, but at every masonic forum he has joined certain individuals have followed him, hounded him and made sure he leaves quickly. Theron Dunn, bless him, was another strong character and he suffered his fair share of abuse on and off line until he accepted defeat and changed his on- screen views on certain topics. Then he was their best friend ever when he unfortunately died.Architect (or whatever his online name is) has been hounded from various Masonic forums due to his continual factual but often controversial posts. Whatever threat he is perceived to be, he certainly attracts a lot of unwarranted abuse to the point some forums will not allow him to join. Why? He is just a man with a keyboard and an active mind. Others that have even more controversial but more trendy and clique acceptable views are feted like celebrities, to the point that those that disagree with them are suddenly excluded.Lord Northampton has been vilified for being the public face / voice of the UGLE executive, the supposedly unyielding monolith that refuses to move with the times. Not only that, his religious beliefs have been held up for ridicule and his quarterly address ripped to shreds. All that changed of course with a certain awards ceremony, he was suddenly popular in certain quarters and the abuse stopped. Then he resigned. Perhaps he had got wind of what had been written about him before. Even Keith, our resident New Zealander and tourist guide for all things meteorigical and antipodean has been hounded, his posts altered / deleted on masonic forums just because he has strong views do not match those of the elite. And then there is my situation. I am aware there is a off-forum discussion of " ignore him, don't engage with him and he will get bored and leave" running parallel to the email and phone call campaign. What I can't understand is why. I am no threat to anyone, my views are no stronger than those expressed by the in- house "elite", they are no more negative than others made here and i do not post here much anyway. What is the problem guys? Why does what comes from the keyboard of the non elite cause you so much fear? Why do you have this urge to silence those that disagree with your view of the Masonic world? Where is the "tolerance"?edit:typos Post #9997 TerryTerry Posted 16/07/2009 05:08 Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: 01/08/2010 02:55 Posts: 595, Visits: 757 M Perrott,It makes me wonder, do they only attack those whom they believe have more intellectual horsepower, and worse still, can think for themselves, if so, what a crime you have committed in "their" eyes, but when the time comes to render an account of our lives, the creator will surely judge us on our own actions taken by our own free will,and reward or punish as appropriate, and in this regard I am led to believe you will have no case to answer, to those others, beware, you will need to render an account for your actions.Or another way of looking at it, the inquisition only went after intelligent people to burn as witches on the stake RegardsTerryTamworth 652Australia Post #9998 « Prev Topic | Next Topic » 52 posts, Page 4 of 6«««23456»»» Reading This Topic Active Users: 0 (0 guests, 0 members, 0 anonymous members) Forum Moderators: TFM Admin, Mike Martin, Stu Thorpe, Tom Cherup Forum Jump... ---------------- Forum Home Search Members List Calendar Who's Online ---------------- Site Announcements |-- Announcements General |-- Greetings to our New Forumites |-- General Masonic Discussion |-- Masonic History (Legend -V- Fact) |-- Ritual - Esoteric & Symbols |-- Travellers' Diary & Dates |-- The Reading/Watching Room |-- The Appendant Degrees and Orders |-- Feminine & Co-Masonry |-- Knobs & Excrescences All times are GMT, Time now is 1:49am Powered By InstantForum.NET v4.1.4 © 2010 Execution: 0.099. 14 queries. 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Good grief! I'm originally from Kingsbury and Harrow..just a short bus ride away!
When I say short bus I don't mean "short bus'.....
U.G.L.E.
Lodge of Perseverance 213 Norfolk. (An Atholl Lodge)
I've seen Mike's Balls.....
What we must accept is that we are not all perfect, and tackle the problems as soon as they come up. A bit of tact goes a long way when correcting the offenders, who can seldom see the harm they are doing.
Peter Lorton PM 5600L 9169L 5056RAC 9169RAC
I doubt I can add anything to the why part... it has already been said. But I will note that Freemasons are still humans.
Humans are the hardest on the ones they love, including Freemasnry. Nitpick and apparently complain, yea, but it is because we care!
You know there IS a lot of moaning going on, but that's largely because the majority of folk you get in Freemasonry have high standards in whichever field you refer. When something doesn't go quite according to plan, we are rightly concerned and want to see it put right. Because the festive board is usually concerned with good will, good company etc etc, we see the other aspect of Freemasonry in our lives (ie this forum) as a bit of a vent for our feelings.
I suspect I'm as much to blame as the next man (thought not as much to blame as Mark Parrot(sp?)), for casrting doom and gloom.... but come on wolfy, some of us aren't happy unless we're moaning!
Tony.
Thank you for your very touching concern Tony, I am much happier now thanks. The events that have made life a little trying have ceased since my mention of them on here, and <touch wood> most here can continue to enjoy their time here without further mention of it.
Glad to hear it Mark
Wayne
But it raises a question about the "tolerance" within Freemasonry and Masonic forums in particular.
A pattern of behaviour seems to prevail. When the clique elite decide someone should leave, the individual gets followed around, their every post counter -posted with ridicule or strongly worded rhetoric.
Take for example Peter Clatworthy. His strong views are not my cup of tea, but at every masonic forum he has joined certain individuals have followed him, hounded him and made sure he leaves quickly.
Theron Dunn, bless him, was another strong character and he suffered his fair share of abuse on and off line until he accepted defeat and changed his on- screen views on certain topics. Then he was their best friend ever when he unfortunately died.
Architect (or whatever his online name is) has been hounded from various Masonic forums due to his continual factual but often controversial posts. Whatever threat he is perceived to be, he certainly attracts a lot of unwarranted abuse to the point some forums will not allow him to join. Why? He is just a man with a keyboard and an active mind. Others that have even more controversial but more trendy and clique acceptable views are feted like celebrities, to the point that those that disagree with them are suddenly excluded.
Lord Northampton has been vilified for being the public face / voice of the UGLE executive, the supposedly unyielding monolith that refuses to move with the times. Not only that, his religious beliefs have been held up for ridicule and his quarterly address ripped to shreds. All that changed of course with a certain awards ceremony, he was suddenly popular in certain quarters and the abuse stopped. Then he resigned. Perhaps he had got wind of what had been written about him before.
Even Keith, our resident New Zealander and tourist guide for all things meteorigical and antipodean has been hounded, his posts altered / deleted on masonic forums just because he has strong views do not match those of the elite.
And then there is my situation. I am aware there is a off-forum discussion of " ignore him, don't engage with him and he will get bored and leave" running parallel to the email and phone call campaign.
What I can't understand is why.
I am no threat to anyone, my views are no stronger than those expressed by the in- house "elite", they are no more negative than others made here and i do not post here much anyway.
What is the problem guys? Why does what comes from the keyboard of the non elite cause you so much fear? Why do you have this urge to silence those that disagree with your view of the Masonic world? Where is the "tolerance"?
edit:typos
It makes me wonder, do they only attack those whom they believe have more intellectual horsepower, and worse still, can think for themselves, if so, what a crime you have committed in "their" eyes, but when the time comes to render an account of our lives, the creator will surely judge us on our own actions taken by our own free will,and reward or punish as appropriate, and in this regard I am led to believe you will have no case to answer, to those others, beware, you will need to render an account for your actions.
Or another way of looking at it, the inquisition only went after intelligent people to burn as witches on the stake
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